Lenze / 8200 vector, 8200 motec and 8400

The 8200 has two module slots and they are not independent. Lenze publishes a compatibility matrix because some function and communication module combinations do not work at all, and some work only for parameterising.

The 8200 range is on a great deal of older New Zealand machinery. Cabinet-mounted vector units and motor-mounted motec units, plus the 8400 generation that followed.

The two interfaces

A bare 8200 with nothing in either slot has no control terminals at all. The I/O comes from the function module.

So a drive number alone does not describe an installation. Send the module designations too.

Not every combination works

The thing that catches people extending or repairing an 8200, and Lenze documents it as a matrix.

What that means in practice

If a fieldbus function module is fitted in the FIF slot, an AIF communication module generally cannot also control the drive. It may still be usable for setting parameters, and it may not be usable at all.

So you cannot simply add a second network to an 8200 by filling the spare slot. The two interfaces overlap in what they can do, and Lenze restricts the combinations.

Tell us what is fitted and what you are trying to add, and we will check it against the matrix before quoting.

The AIF module can be changed while running

Genuinely useful and not widely known.

Lenze states that a communication module can be plugged onto or pulled off the AIF interface during operation.

So a keypad can be moved from drive to drive on a running machine. On a line with twenty 8200s, one keypad serves the lot.

That is worth knowing before someone buys a keypad per drive.

The FIF cover is a required part

Small, cheap and easy to leave off an order.

Lenze specifies that the FIF cover must be mounted for operation without a function module. A blind cover and a protection cover are also listed.

So a drive running with an empty FIF slot needs the cover fitted. If one has gone missing during a repair, that is a part rather than something to leave open.

Function modules, the FIF slot

Standard I/O and Application I/O are different modules

The most common substitution question on this range.

E82ZAFS is Standard I/O and E82ZAFA is Application I/O. The Application I/O carries more capability and is not the same part.

And Lenze flags a compatibility constraint on the Application I/O, noting it works with particular controller software versions.

So an Application I/O module from a newer drive may not work in an older one. Send the drive type code as well as the module and we will check the pairing.

The external supply variant

Worth knowing because it solves a specific problem.

The E82ZAFCC100 supplies the module and the 8200 vector control card externally.

That keeps the drive's control electronics and its network connection alive when the mains is off, so a PLC can still see the drive and read its state.

If a machine needs that behaviour, a standard CAN module will not give it.

Communication modules, the AIF slot

AIF modules are the 21xx series. If a part number on a Lenze drive starts with 21, it is in the AIF slot.

The diagnosis terminal

Useful for a site with no PC software.

The E82ZBL-C diagnosis terminal enables parameter setting and diagnosis through a menu-based interface, connected by a cable such as the E82ZWL025 at 2.5 m.

So parameters can be read and set without a laptop or a licence. On a legacy installation where nobody has the Lenze software, that is often the practical route.

The terminal layout

Status is shown on two LEDs, red and green.

X2.2 is the motor thermal input

Worth flagging because it is often the cause of an unexplained trip.

The motor's thermal contact or PTC lands on X2.2. A Lenze geared motor usually has one fitted.

If a drive trips on motor temperature and the motor is cold, check the sensor and its wiring before anything else. An open circuit on X2.2 reads as an over-temperature.

The Safe hold variant

A safety option identified deep in the type code, and easy to miss.

Lenze identifies it as E82EVxxxKxBx4x, and notes that terminal X3.1 is only active on the 3 to 11 kW units in the Safe hold variant.

So a standard 8200 of the same power has no X3.1 and cannot perform that function. If the machine's safety circuit wires into X3.1, only a Safe hold unit will do.

Check the full type code including the extended digits. As always, whether a substitution is valid belongs with whoever holds the machine's safety assessment.

vector and motec

The motec is mounted on the motor itself, covering 0.25 to 7.5 kW, and can also be wall mounted.

Both ranges take the same function modules, so a PROFIBUS or CAN module is common across them.

Because the motec sits out on the machine, its failure modes differ. Ingress, vibration and ambient heat matter far more than in a cabinet, and a failure is often a drive-and-motor job.

The 8400 generation

The line is part of the specification, not a trim level. A StateLine will not run a TopLine application, so match the line as well as the power and voltage.

The 8400 introduced technology applications, which Lenze describes as drive solutions built from interconnected function blocks. That is why an 8400 can do things an 8200 needs an Application I/O to approach.

Note the firmware version matters on 8400. Documentation is written from specific firmware levels, and a replacement at a different level may behave differently.

Parameters are codes

The i550 generation uses Pxxx.xx instead, so an 8200 parameter list does not map onto a current drive. See our i550 page.

Read the parameters off while the drive still runs. The keypad or the diagnosis terminal will do it, and a replacement 8200 arrives at defaults.

Motor types

The 8200 supports asynchronous standard motors, reluctance motors and PM synchronous motors.

A reluctance or PM synchronous motor cannot be run by a drive parameterised for an induction motor. If the machine has one, the parameter set is not optional detail.

What to send us

The full drive type code, including the extended digits that identify the Safe hold variant.

The function module designation. It carries its own label on the housing.

The communication module, if one is fitted.

What you are trying to add, if you are extending, so we can check the combination matrix.

The motor and gearbox nameplate. Lenze specifies them as a system.

Whether you have the parameter set.

Before ordering a replacement

Check X2.2 if the drive trips on motor temperature and the motor is cold.

Check whether the module is the fault rather than the drive. A function module failure looks like a dead drive from the control side.

Check the FIF cover is fitted if the slot is empty.

Read the discharge time off the device before working on it. Lenze prints it on each unit rather than publishing one figure.

What we can supply

8200 vector and 8200 motec across the power range and both voltage classes.

Function modules. Standard I/O, Application I/O, PROFIBUS, INTERBUS, CAN, CANopen, DeviceNet and LECOM.

Communication modules. The 21xx range and E82ZBC keypads.

Accessories. FIF covers, diagnosis terminals, connecting cables, brake resistors and mains chokes.

8400 across the lines, and 9400 servo.

Much of the 8200 range is discontinued, so this is new old stock, surplus and tested used.

We buy Lenze 8200

8200 drives and their modules hold real value, because a like-for-like replacement keeps a machine on its existing parameter set and wiring.

Keep function and communication modules with their drives. A drive with its modules is worth considerably more than a bare one, and orphaned modules are worth having too. See Sell To Us.

Related

Lenze overview and i550 inverters.

For inverters from other brands see ABB ACS580, Schneider Altivar, Siemens SINAMICS G120, Allen-Bradley PowerFlex and Mitsubishi FR.

Send us your type codes

Include the function module designation. A bare 8200 has no control terminals at all. Quotes in NZD including GST.

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